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respected vaidyas,whenever we open the samhithas, we mostly skip the indriya sthana, i always wondered about the arishta lakshanas and there clinical relevance,i request the elite panel to share there experiences in observing any of the arishta lakshanas clinically, also there relevance in current day ayurvedic practice.
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    Monday, April 26 2010, 10:08 AM - #Permalink
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    Knowledge of arishta lakshana are helpfull to decide sadhya-asadhyata of the disease. But generally in clinical practise we dont recieve patient with such a stage.

    • DR. (MRS.) RAMADEVI PEDDI
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      it is prognosis which we can understand with different types of tests and examinations for example if a patient is in terminal stage we can assess the suffering mostly in liver failure, kidney failure lung failure and heart failure etc., it is mostly common sense
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    Monday, April 26 2010, 12:43 PM - #Permalink
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    Could not able to elicit..

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    Monday, April 26 2010, 12:53 PM - #Permalink
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    Hello doctor, arista lakshanas mentioned in the samhitas were mentioned before 2-3000 yrs. At that time they were not hvng investigation n examination like today for the diagnosis of diseases,so for the conditions which they were not knowng , they have mentioned as aristas. Actually the samhitas should be consized now and all the unnecessary porti
    • DR. GANDHI SACHIN
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      This is really a very Bold statement.
    • Vaidya Manish Joshi
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      r u sure about your statement? the fact is evenafter 3000 years - basic principle of ayurved's are as it is. on the contrary after 1 or 2 months, so called investigations and examinations ( as stated by u ) are changing. the thing changing but looking live is a motion picture and the thing remained same after so many years is "Life". so please think deeply again and then make such bold statement........my opinion is - the examination and diagnosis of thet era is so perfect thet they don't need to depend on so called investigations.....
    • DR. NILOY KAR
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      Will you be kind enough to mention the so called unnecessary portion in Sanhita(Charak,Shushrut,Vagbhatt)
    • DR. KAVITHA HEMANTHKUMAR
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      Dear Dr.Prashanth As of now my experience in ayurveda i.e; in understanding ayurveda i would say its really easy to remove or say it but very difficult to add so really think many times before saying this comment. AS the things explained in samhitas what extent we understand is handful of grains thats it, still we have too go very deep to understand it original depth.
    • Dr. Bhat. a. Ranga Prasad
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      I have got my own reservations with regards to the statement of Dr,Parmarji.I think my antagonistic opinion, with regards to that of his, may start a debate, hence am not registering my voice here.
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    Monday, April 26 2010, 12:57 PM - #Permalink
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    I had seen one case closely. She was having Hikka & neel varna of the extremities ( cyanosis ). She got dead after 12 hours of the examination. We can have have the arishta lakshnas of hikka & neel varni extremities with sheet sparsha.
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    Monday, April 26 2010, 03:05 PM - #Permalink
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    ** was based on prognosis to assess the condition of patient before starting treatment.i.e why chikitsa sthana was written after it. The main message was to develop keen knowledge and observation otherwise
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    Monday, April 26 2010, 04:20 PM - #Permalink
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    i had seen two patients in my life. one is - my first patient just after passing bams. 87 years old uncle - was in coma due to head injury. hospital said to take home after fulfilling his bill. i had started basti-with gomutra and sameerpannag+suvarnasutshekhar with honey as matra. after 10 days he was able to open his eyes and trying to tell something. at one night , i had just came from my guru's (vaidya. dilip gadgil) clinic. patient's son called me.(they were my neighbour). just after entering room - i heard a breathing sound just like bull's breathing. after examining "naadi" i told him - this is sign of sinking of patient. i gave hemgarbha for son's satisfaction and told him to call me at around 2.30 am. unfortunatelly he called me at 2.15. that time patient was off.- in this case - mahashwaas was a "arishta". in second case - a old aged vaidya - suffering from liver cirrhosis, psoriasis. patient's relative called me to treat him. i gave him arogyavardhini, combination of some medicines and other do's and don'ts for 7 days just after 4 days, phone rings - " patient's all symptoms are gone but feeling difficulty in breathing" i rushed to patient's home. after naadi-parikshan and other examination. i told them that we have only few hours. because same "mahashwaas" was there. even after taking him to big allopathy institute, patient was no more. ( as dr. prashant sing parmar said - no investigation or examination or emergency could make something for him. so this is not the thing that before 3000 years there are no investigation or examination methods. on the contrary - vagbhat already said - "arishtam nassti maranam drushtarishtam cha jeevitam l" (ashtang hruday / sharir / 4 /2)

    • DR. SUNEEL KRISHNAN
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      thanks for your comment joshi ji, it is enlightening indeed.
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    Monday, April 26 2010, 08:33 PM - #Permalink
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    i have not seen any pt. with arishta lakshanas yet.
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    Monday, April 26 2010, 10:10 PM - #Permalink
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    yes - i hae sen a case--there was a patient who was suffering from mouth cancer and whenever he use to come to me ., he smell foul and it was so bad that we sit 3 feets from him.really aristha (gandha) is practically seen.

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    Tuesday, April 27 2010, 08:45 AM - #Permalink
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    This field is neglected now a days.Good experiences shared by the experts.
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    Tuesday, April 27 2010, 02:57 PM - #Permalink
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    I would like to share my experience about arista lakshana which i had appreciated during my academic period that to on my grandmother. Were even i used to sit and laugh when it was taken in classes but after this never. My grandmother had an attach of CVA(Cerebral Vascular Attack - Stroke) recovered thn she had an hip joint dislocation which was not possible to reduce as of her age. But one thing which i had noticed is Cry - in a time different tone by this she used to call and on asking do action as if indicating as if she has to pass motion but it was not, because she used to cal like this every 5 - 6 mins. This was great suprise for me and one more thing is just before her death ants moving around the body in a line which really shook me. To appreciate on patients i think if we have really close minute observation then may be we can appreciate and make use of this.
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    Tuesday, April 27 2010, 05:40 PM - #Permalink
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    good experienced shared by senior consultants.

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    Sunday, May 02 2010, 11:53 PM - #Permalink
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    good experience by experts jai dhanvantary
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    Monday, May 03 2010, 02:21 PM - #Permalink
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    good experience shared

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    Friday, July 23 2010, 07:23 PM - #Permalink
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    doctor krishnan, you are right if we r careful we can figureout arishta lakshanas easily... as in case of my MIL... slowly all the senses she stopped one after one.... before she passed 2nights back she was not even recognizing the diff between rice and poha....etc...all 5senses showed exactly in gratha arishtas... god bless you.
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    Saturday, July 24 2010, 09:29 AM - #Permalink
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    Hai Sir, Arista - lakshan can be co related with multiple organ failure & response with nature.As dr. Kavita has given one own experience, might be in that case some sort of glucose / sucrose was coming from skin, or during dying of some organ especiol odour is coming so ants came near body. I have in some cases, in bed ridden patiehts IF THEIR NOSE TIP IS NOT IN ERRECT POSITION / OR NOSE TIP IS FALLEN.Patient will die in 2-3 days.
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    Saturday, July 24 2010, 02:37 PM - #Permalink
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    I had no opportunity of intercepting with persons at their final stage of life. So have not yet got the opportunity to taste the success of diagnostic based on our arista lakshanas. But, I am happy to hear from some of our forum members regarding their experience with regards to the same.

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