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some common things regarding amlapitta from both sciences- This is my perception,there may be some mistakes,pls correct me
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    Monday, June 21 2010, 09:06 AM - #Permalink
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    Monday, June 21 2010, 09:13 AM - #Permalink
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    respected sir, good topic raised by you sir. but generally we allopathic practisners are prescribing proton pump inhibitor and h2 receptor antagonist. but they never think about constipation,digestion,apetite or any other cause of hyperacidity. they have medicines to either stop production of acid or to nutrilize hcl. while our medicines are better in saam and niraam both awasatha. i think our medicines in amlapitta are much better then any other pathy. regarding comparison, ???? ?? ????? ?? ?? ?? ???? ?? ????? ?? ??? ?? ????? ????? ?? ????? ?? ????? ??? ??? ??. ?? ?????? ?? ?????? ?? ?? ????? ??????? ?????? ??. ????? ?? ????? ???? ??? ?? ??? ????? ??? ?? ???? ?????? ??? ?? ??? ???????.
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    Monday, June 21 2010, 10:33 AM - #Permalink
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    Dear Dr. I would agree with Dr.Patel completely. Yes, you were very correct in explaining both. But I would say that it


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    Monday, June 21 2010, 12:15 PM - #Permalink
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    ????,???? ???????!???????? ???? ????????????? ??????? ??.????? ?????? ??? ??? ???? ?? ??? ?? ???? ????? ????????? ??? ????? ??. ????? ???? ?? ??? ??? ????? ???? ??????? ????? ???????? ?? ????? *????? ?? ???????? ??? ???? ??. ????????--??????????,????????????, ?????????,????????????????????????????????????? ?? ????????????????? ??? ???????? ???? ??. allopathy ?????: ???????????? ???????? ???? ??. *???????? ???-???? ?? ????? ???? ???????? ???? ??[?? ??? ???? ??????? ??? ??????? ???? ?? ?? ?? ?????? ?? ?????? ?? ???? ??.]allopathy ?????? ?????? ??????? ??.
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    Monday, June 21 2010, 12:35 PM - #Permalink
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    helo, the corelation is very good. but, 1.we consider agnimandya as the culprit for samprati of amlapitta. so instad of neutralising, blocking and ceasing the "pitta" we start with shodhan of sam dosha (yes sam dosha ) then we concentrate on prakrit pitta nirmiti and deepan pachan for it then nidanparivarjan and pathya palan also . i have seen patients taking antacids for years later have severe anorexia and then put on digestive enzymes n appetizers good try keep it up regards


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    Monday, June 21 2010, 01:56 PM - #Permalink
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    Vaidya Nilesh ji Your co relation is wonderful as this is one the few diseases which Madvakar described in a different way. His vision is very near to modern concept in symptoms. The symptomatology has explanation of disturbance in acid secretion in the stomach. Amlodgar, utklesha, hritkantha daha and avipaka are the main features. Madhav has described two type. Urdhvagat- Hyperchlorhydra and Adhogat- Achlorhydra Thus we can see that ayurveda physiology is more advance and Madhav is the king of clinical knowledge.
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    Monday, June 21 2010, 01:57 PM - #Permalink
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    Vaidya Nilesh ji Your co relation is wonderful as this is one the few diseases which Madvakar described in a different way. His vision is very near to modern concept in symptoms. The symptomatology has explanation of disturbance in acid secretion in the stomach. Amlodgar, utklesha, hritkantha daha and avipaka are the main features. Madhav has described two type. Urdhvagat- Hyperchlorhydra and Adhogat- Achlorhydra Thus we can see that ayurveda physiology is more advance and Madhav is the king of clinical knowledge.


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    Monday, June 21 2010, 01:57 PM - #Permalink
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    Vaidya Nilesh ji Your co relation is wonderful as this is one the few diseases which Madvakar described in a different way. His vision is very near to modern concept in symptoms. The symptomatology has explanation of disturbance in acid secretion in the stomach. Amlodgar, utklesha, hritkantha daha and avipaka are the main features. Madhav has described two type. Urdhvagat- Hyperchlorhydra and Adhogat- Achlorhydra Thus we can see that ayurveda physiology is more advance and Madhav is the king of clinical knowledge.


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    Monday, June 21 2010, 02:28 PM - #Permalink
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    it is nicely corelated by yoou . the medicines used as antacids in ayurveda are not anly neutralisers but also carminative and pi virechak dravya take the case of trivi main medicine of aviptikar it is pit virechak shankh , soot shekhar kaam dugdha and only yashti madhu act give good relief in hyperacidity.be it urdhav or adhog


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    Monday, June 21 2010, 05:01 PM - #Permalink
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    dr. parbat patel explained very well and there is no option of this reply.


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    Monday, June 21 2010, 06:05 PM - #Permalink
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    nice correlation
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    Monday, June 21 2010, 08:05 PM - #Permalink
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    ** alongwith the complete proforma provided by you I must add some from my side: 1.as modern science believes H.Pylori to be one of the causative factor for acidity likewise ???????? ??? ????? ??? ??????? ???? ?? ????? ?? ?. ?????? ????/?????, ??????,??????,?????????--- ?????? ?????(???? ?? ??????)--???? ?? favors the survival and growth of H.pylori. ?.H.pylori releases significant quantity of urease enzyme and also elaborate the phospholipases leading to epithelial cell injury and decrease in mucosal defence---Kapha chuyti B.The bacillus simultaneously increases serum gastrin level and HCl in stomach---Increased vidagdha pitta C.The decreased mucosal defence because of epithelial injury is more vulnerable for acid injury and back diffusion of H+ ions---Rasavaha sroto dushti
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    Tuesday, June 22 2010, 09:05 AM - #Permalink
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    dr.Nilesh . nice corelation and raised burning topic for discution. In amla pitta there are two types 1)adhogata amlapitta and 2)urdhagata amlapitta ( and acording to dosha 1.vataja 2.kaphaja and 3.vata kaphaja) . in allopathic system they are giving sympromatic treatment like supression of secretion of HCL . In modern scinece hyper acidity caused by helicobacter pylori (H pylori) bacteria .and giving antibiotics also to treat hyper acidity . In my view agnimandya is also one of the symptom in adhogata amlapitta.in this type of cases achlorohydria (dimisnished secretion of H C L) present . In digesation process micriorgnisms like bacteria are killed by saliva ,H C L and other enzymes. In adhogata amlapitta gastric juices secretion is diminished due to this bacteria like Helico bacter pylori (H pylori) lodges in gastric musosa causing damage. if we further give antacids ,h2 receptor antagonists or proton pump inhibitors etc. causes further damage and using antacids etc for longer time other diseases may arise. our sasthra explained well about amlapitta ,if we follow our shastric diognosis and treatment we will get good result .


    • Dr. Surendra chaudhary
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      If go through the concept of Agni- both, Dhatvagni as well as Jathragni then we will find our physiological explanation of Amlapitta is not only near to modern concept but more elaborating. Good explanation.
    • DR. V.N.RAO
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      dr.surendra chaudhary ji Thank you for your appreciation.
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    Tuesday, June 22 2010, 02:56 PM - #Permalink
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    Very nice corelatin and explained case discusin if al we think like the way u thought and treat pt. Accordingly then definate we can treat pt . With good result.


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    Wednesday, June 23 2010, 12:06 AM - #Permalink
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    very well said,thanks.


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    Wednesday, June 23 2010, 08:09 AM - #Permalink
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    OM* hello,doctor,i will like to share my views ,basicaly amlapittais a pitta pradhan vyadhi acc to ayurveda so,to treat this certainly we have to use the drugs which are of opposite gunas, so we use sheet gun,madhur ras etc for the treatment,the best part of its treatment in ayurveda is 1st dietry control then use of mediciens,,,,,,,,,,,if we compare this line of treatment with allopathy then we can realize the GREATNESS OF AYURVEDA, the medicines we use in allopathy is mostly to control the acidity,,,,,,,but not to treat this no dout allopathy also believe that over production of acid in the stomach due to any reason leads to this disease & there treatment is also very effective but only if taken for shorter time,,,,,,,,,even if u take the allopathy treatment for long time then u'r gastric mucosa is fully disturbed & is not able to function properly in the absence of medicine,,,,,,,,,,so, the line of treatment of both patties seems to be same but in real its not like that,only after a practical experience this can be seen,( i had expirienced this in my clinic) so in my view if a patient want to get rid of the amalpitta foreever then he has to folow a specific diet control, dincharya,& also ayurvedic treatment, thanks.


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    Wednesday, June 23 2010, 06:43 PM - #Permalink
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    dear dr nilesh. though i feel no comparison in two. but still we need to understand these on modern lines too. to make people aware particularly of other pathies. but problem is again that nom oen understand tridosha or panch bhautic sidhantas. so we end up explaining to ourselves again. yours is a good effort and a good understanding. keep it up.
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    Saturday, January 12 2013, 11:47 AM - #Permalink
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    VERY NISE DISCUSSIONS BY THE PANEL
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    Saturday, January 12 2013, 07:15 PM - #Permalink
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    Superb explaination Nilesh sir........ GREAT DISCUSSIONS BY THE PANEL !


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