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docs ....i am very disappointed at the not very good response of treatments prescribed in our texts in almost all the cases of arthritis in comparison to allopathic medicines....advise
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Tuesday, June 29 2010, 12:04 AM - #Permalink
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    Wednesday, September 09 2009, 08:40 AM - #Permalink
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    it is because you havent read and practiced ayurveda properly. go and practice under a good vaidya and learn before you pass such stupid comments on ayurveda doctor. and you compare it with allopathy which doesnt have any treatment for that matter. just painkillers and steriods?? or max joint replacement!! please go through amavata and vata raktha chapters throughtly.
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    Wednesday, September 09 2009, 10:05 AM - #Permalink
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    The current trend in treating RA according to allopathy is following DMARDs like chloroquin. There is no reliable treatment there. However if treated in early stages, Aamvata is very much manageable through ayurveda. Depending on basic diagnostic principles of ayurveda, drugs like ajamoda churna, amritarista, tribhuvan keerti rasa, amrita swarasa etc. can be selected. Basic diagnosis as per ayurvedic principles is very essential

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    Wednesday, September 09 2009, 10:20 AM - #Permalink
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    Treament of ra in ayurveda is better then in modern. Medicines like panchkol churna, ajmodadi churna, aamvatari ras are used to treat amavata.
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    Wednesday, September 09 2009, 10:27 AM - #Permalink
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    IF YOU ARE TREATING THE CASE ACCORDING TO THE CHIKITSA SUTRA ITSELF GIVES GOOD RESULT. PRACTICE CLASSICALLY YOU WILL SUCCEED.

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    Wednesday, September 09 2009, 10:44 AM - #Permalink
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    pl. not compair Ayurved to other. treatment of r.a. is only in ayurved. this is long term treatment. pl. you should try ayurvedic medicines patiencly, R. compound tab ,sinhnad guggulu ,aamvatari ras, punch col churna, dashmoola quath with caster oil, sanjivni vati, agnitundi vati, ajmodadi churna, rasnadi guggulu, ashwagandharishta, balarishta,etc. Basti chikitsa is very benefacial in this.

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    Wednesday, September 09 2009, 12:02 PM - #Permalink
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    1) all types of arthritis r considered as sandhigata vata as ayurveda science . 2) the real treatment depends upon the sama vata or nirama vata . 3) u have to pick the exact one & treat accordingly , as the treatments in both is mostly opposite . 4) use of basti , various guggulus , vatahar quath some exercise will ensure better results than allopathy . 5) allopathy treatment for arthritis is like the cap of the inflatable bottle which will explode anytime . the sufferer always looks at the closed bottle of the cap & gets satisfied him / herself avoiding to see the inflatable bottle underneath .

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    Wednesday, September 09 2009, 12:15 PM - #Permalink
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    Its our fault to start treatment of RA. Its mandatory to diagnose the patient with ayurveda-ama vata,sandhi vata,vata rakta & so on... In ayurveda first line of treatment in joint diseases in ama pachan.what happen is some time we think that that patient is suffering from this disease from many years so there is no ama.this is our biggest mistake to start with.In each and every case give ama pachana with amrutharishtam +ajmodadi ch/shad dharna ch.within week u will some results.further u can move according to doshas. And the plus point in ayurveda is,we have vasthi chikitsa which is supposed to be complete treatment for vata vyadhis.it really works wonderfully like brahmastra....this is the power of true ayurveda !!!!
    • DR. GURINDER S. BAINS
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      doc u r right ..but honestly patient compliance regarding vasti is not very high.....
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    Wednesday, September 09 2009, 12:29 PM - #Permalink
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    **Amavata" is a joint disorder which affects multiple joints and various sites.'Ama' means toxic which is produced in the body due to weakening of digestive fire- Jataragni.This 'Ama' is then carried by 'Vayu' and travels throughout the body and accumulate in the joints,which is the seat of 'Kapha' As this process continuous,all the joints are gradually affected,which results in severe pain and swelling in the joints. When 'Pitta' also gets aggravated,it causes burning sensation around the joints. **Treatment: 1.Diet:Vegetarian food to be consumed.Dairy products,sweets,oily foods,junk and fast foods,salty and sour foods,jaggery,black gram,fish,cold drinks and ice creams are to be avoided. 2.Life style- One should avoid cold breeze and excessive wind.Warm water bath is recommended.Take a gentle walk after consumption of food. 3.Medicines:Guggulu is the most effective drug in treating 'Amavata'. Also herbal preparations of Ashwagandha,Haritaki, Rasna,Sunthi,Pippai and Trivrut are helpful. 4.Panchakarma Therapy: *Snehana:as a preliminary process. *Swedana:It helps in reducing inflammatory conditions in the body. *Virechana: By the process of Virechana, the 'Ama' is eliminated from the body.Also the bowel is cleansed, which results in absorption and assimilation of the medicinal preparations properly. *Vasti:This is done by administration of herbal enema.It is helpful in chronic cases

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    Wednesday, September 09 2009, 12:45 PM - #Permalink
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    **treatment of rheumatoid arthritis consists of the following procedures: (i) "Snehan" (ii) "Swedan" (iii) "Lep" (iv) "Anuloman" (v) "Raktamokshan" (vi) "Dahan" and (vii) "Shaman". 1.Mahanarayan oil containing mainly Asparagus racemosus, Bala oil,Vishgarbha oil are some of the medications used for snehan procedures. 2."Naadi swedan" is the most effective.A decoction of Nirgundi is usually used for this procedure. 3.Local medicated applications include Lepgoli,Dashang lep, and a mixture of Shrung,Daruharidra, Alum,and Rakta Chandan. 4.Local pain can be immediately reduced by blood-letting,done by syringe or using leeches.About 50 ml. of blood is usually withdrawn from a vein near the affected joint. Castor oil and Haritaki treated with castor oil are used for mild,prolonged laxative treatment. 5.Oral medications include Maharasnadi decoction,Triphala Guggulu,Yograj Guggulu and Ashwagandharishta. Shallaki and Guggulu compounds are given for prolonged periods.

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    Wednesday, September 09 2009, 02:01 PM - #Permalink
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    follow dr. munish
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    Wednesday, September 09 2009, 02:37 PM - #Permalink
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    treatment - 1- aambatari rasha 250mg,akangveer rasha 250mg,amrita sata 250mg,godanti bhasma 250mg.2 times daily with honey. 2-panchcol churn-5gm daily -7 days 3-singhnad guggulu 2 bd. 4-rashna saptak kada 20 ml daily. 5-precribed anulome bilome,kapalbhati,bhrastika, pranayama and asanas like markatasan,bhungaasan,sarbangaasan.
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    Wednesday, September 09 2009, 02:39 PM - #Permalink
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    faith in ayurveda. go for sidhdhanta and long time. u will got success. admit the pt in yr hospital. treat very well according to siddhants. some times pt on opd treatment r not ready for pathya palan and nidan parivarjan. if u indoor him for 15 days and explain all treatment, the result will best.

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    Wednesday, September 09 2009, 02:53 PM - #Permalink
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    dr i accept ur views v r not able to satisfy the patient with fever+all joints swelling pain,i too tried with many kasayas,gugglus,rasaausadas,swarna basma for 1 year. but in more cases patients suffers a lot,i think whatyou r prescribing in tablet form doesnt contain a sufficient dose, and also charaka has told if the disease is more than a year it is difficult to cure more patient come to us after loaded and fatigued with steriod s and nsaids.even good vaidyas told this as yapya and asadya.
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    Wednesday, September 09 2009, 03:09 PM - #Permalink
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    Kindly specify the exact investigation report. We have stages according to Ayurveda for arthritis. Pkease specify age and gender of the patient too
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    Wednesday, September 09 2009, 05:20 PM - #Permalink
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    I do not agree to go for Swdan as Dr.Sood mentioned in his reply, But Only Valuka swed will effective For RA, Castor Oil for oral cosuptio(Arand) has a great roll to cotroll RA, Also go for Aampachan Chikitsa and Virechan is the most effective way totreat the patients of RA
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    Wednesday, September 09 2009, 05:46 PM - #Permalink
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    baluka sweda would be effective,and aamvatari rasa,godanti,panchkol churna,cap. trifla,singhnaad gugglu and dashmularishta.
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    Wednesday, September 09 2009, 08:21 PM - #Permalink
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    if its aamvata dr bains this is best managed in ayurveda only...but ofcourse if its old it will take time to control.in aamvata strict aahar vihar for aama...thn aama pachna thn snigdh nitya virechna wth ruksh swedna...thn go for any yog....this is v important if u wont follow n will strt with yogs n suwarn bhasam this tht..u can nt succeed...but really u can manage very well...bt needd to be very strict with diet...
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    Wednesday, September 09 2009, 08:33 PM - #Permalink
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    Arthritis is best been treated by an Ayurveda medicines. only the thing one has to appreciate the different conditions and the variable causes.
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    Wednesday, September 09 2009, 09:04 PM - #Permalink
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    Dear Dr Gurinder singh ji, Rather than going to the texts herewith i am giving you the treatment which have been quite effective in my patients : Rasaraj rasa 125mg+ Pravala Pisti 500mg+ godanti bhasma 500mg + Amruta sattva 500 mg + Nagradya curna 1 gm/1x2 with Amruta bhallataka 4gm BD followed by Rasna saptaka kwath 100 ml BD. Along with daily patra pinda sweda.

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    Wednesday, September 09 2009, 09:11 PM - #Permalink
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    Dear Doctor If we are diagnose the case Properly and Diffrentiae the dosha than it is very easy to treat the case go classicaly thre no dout in the results Regards
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    Wednesday, September 09 2009, 09:39 PM - #Permalink
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    Dear dr, Its really a painful situation for me. An Ayurvedic dr passing comments on his own system.... that is 200% wrong/ false information/comment. Dont start treating the patient with an allopathic diagnosis. If you start like that , i am sure you are going to fail. INstead start examining the patient in ayurvedic terms(dasavidha pariksha). Go for dosha based treatment than diseased based treatment. #########For example, if pakshagatham patient has fever at present, treat for jwara, and not for pakshagatham . Hope you got my point###### ######## But in general start the treatment in this way & i had got a fairly good result 1.Rasnaerandadi ks +Kokilaksham Ks +chandraprabha vati 10ml each with 1 powered pill with warm water twice at empty stomach 2.Nimbamritaristam 30 ml twice after food 3.Dasamoolahareetakee 1 tsp at bedtime followed by a glass of warm water. ######## Be careful while starting external treatment. Dont apply oil. Start with dasamoola ks dhara on effected parts and decide the treatment by yukti I am sure you wil be able to achieve desireble results with this..
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    • DR. GURINDER S. BAINS
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      dr arvind .......being realistic and self analytical is not at all regretful.....what u r doing today ..I m doing it for d last 26 yrs but not very good results r coming ...........stop glorifying Ayurveda just for d name of it ...if u have achieved something then share it
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    Wednesday, September 09 2009, 10:47 PM - #Permalink
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    dear dr, i strongly agree with all my friends, go acc. to texts, follow our system in diagnosis, treat accordingly, good luck

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    Wednesday, September 09 2009, 10:48 PM - #Permalink
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    i completely agree with Dr. Aravind. Doc dont loose heart as u know RA is cyclic disorder & with change of season, it tends to get worse. patient at the end of the day just change docs & pathys. Doc here is what charak says the physician who applies his mind & works accordingly will succeed. amavata treatment- we hav to just go for ampachna...... when amras will not b dere there will b results..... Plus doc, do try a new therapy which is introduced by us in various cities. do contact me at 9815617567 4 details...

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    Wednesday, September 09 2009, 11:08 PM - #Permalink
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    jai ayurved doctor still we r not in a position to comment on authenticity of our acharyas, it is our inability to assess the condition properly and dont expect miraculous results only with ayurveda, and no science in the world is complete, it is to complement the both the sciences as per the need, try to think from patient perspective than the purity of science
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    Wednesday, September 09 2009, 11:10 PM - #Permalink
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    I have treated successfully Arthritis and arthritis related disorders with the help of electro tridosha graphy etg fingings of tridosha and disease diagnosis.You must understand that the fact is with this disorders that this disease condition is the reflection of other bodily disorders which patient have. First an ayurvedicians should try to find out the cause of the present disorders by history taking in chronological sequence and must try to understand the disease phenomenon why and how it is happening. in some case i have seen that psychological disturbances are responsibile to this disease conditions. so my submission is here that first you find out the cause of present disease condition. why you forget the saying that sankshepatah kriyayogo parivarjan that means remove the obstacle and cause of disease condition which is the treatment of the disorders. I have treated successfully almost 98% of arthritis disorders with the help of Electro tridosha gram report findings which pinpointed to select the remedy and management accordingly.

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      Respected Dr. Bajpai ji, Please elaborate Electro tridosha gram as i am not aware of this so your valuable guidance is required please reply me at - This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
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    Wednesday, September 09 2009, 11:11 PM - #Permalink
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    - massage with til tail or vishgarabh tail - formentation with herbs - lemonjuice and teaspoon of honey mixed in a cup of warm water. - castor oil with milk at bedtime before sleep - trifla gugglu - mahayograj gugglu - mahanarayan tail...</title><st
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    Thursday, September 10 2009, 12:53 AM - #Permalink
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    thanx to all the ayurvda experts for their invaluable,highly analytical as well as some critical views..... these views must enlighten me in the long run.......
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    Thursday, September 10 2009, 12:42 PM - #Permalink
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    yes dr bains i m agree with u,this is not your fault,this is a fault of our system.because in ayurvedic colles of punjab they taught us modern sciences more..they taught us ayurveda aspect with co relation to allopathy.we dont know the basics of ayurveda..in our colleges u know our respected teachers have how much opd?and IPD?we have not seen proagnosis in patients with long term ayurveda treatment. so a new fresher of ayurveda curse ayurveda and its teachers and opt allopathy soon to get faster results. i m also an ayurvedic practitioner, i have to work very hard in fighting against the system,u should find a good ayurvedic physician and take lessons from him. also if u are not able to work withh a senior ayurvedacharya,then take some diseses study hard them,and become specialist of only some disease .u no need to ecxpertise of each and every diseses

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    Thursday, September 10 2009, 01:02 PM - #Permalink
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    Hello Doctor, I have treated many cases of Arthritis; both osteo and rheumatoid with the help of medicines prescribed in our ancient texts. Firstly in any case, we should look for sam and niramavastha. After aampachan, we should follow the most common principle of vatavyadhi treatment ie.Bruhan chikitsa in krush patient and lekhan chikitsa in sthool patients. I am sure if you try to understand and have full faith in ancient teachings of our texts, surely you will get good results.

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    Thursday, September 10 2009, 01:14 PM - #Permalink
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    Dear Dr.Bains, In ayurveda for Amavata classical treatments were mentioned by our Acharyas, line of treatment will be as follows; 1.SNEHAM--massage with medicated oils like,mahanarayana, bala, visagarbhataila; 2.SWEDAM;valuka swedam. 3.LEPAM: local application of medicated paste[Dasangalepam,] 4.ANULOMA; mild laxative treatment. 5.SHAMANA;oral medicines like awaghandharistam, Amavatariras, Ajamodha churnam, tribhuvan keerti ras.simhanadhaguggulu, Rasnaerandhadhi kashayam.
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    Thursday, September 10 2009, 01:25 PM - #Permalink
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    1.Liquid.Balaaristam 20ml+20mlwater BID Afterfood. + Tab. Amavatariras 2tab Bid 2.Rasnasaptakamkashayam 20ml+60ml lukeworm water BID before food + Tab.Mahayogarajaguggulu 2tab TID. 3.Tab.chitrakadivati 2tab BID. before food. 4.mahanarayantailam,kottamchukkadhitailam,dhanvantaram tailam,murrivenna,pindatailam.

    • DR. V.N.RAO
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      Dr.poornima garu. tailas made with til oil cantraindicated in ama vatam.tailas prepared with eranda tailas like brihat saindhavatailam is useful.
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    Thursday, September 10 2009, 04:37 PM - #Permalink
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    prescribe your patient baluka swed,ajmodadai churna,castor oil..vaitren basti also has good results in R.A

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    Thursday, September 10 2009, 11:05 PM - #Permalink
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    Amavatari Kshayam from Arya vaidhya nilayam gives good results. You can combine with Sinhanaad guugulu and Antharth capsules from Millennium herbals.

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    Saturday, September 12 2009, 01:19 PM - #Permalink
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    DEAR FRIEND, THE TREATMENT OF AMAVATA, SANDHIVATA HAS BEEN DESCRIBED IN DETAIL IN OUR AYURVEDA TEXTS AND THE RESULTS ARE MARVELLOUS IHAVE TREATED MANY CASES OF AMAVATA BY OUR AYURVEDIC MEDICINES . ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS GO TO THE TEXT MADHAVA NIDANA AND SHARANGDHAR YOU WILL EXPERIENCE THE DIFFERENCE ALL THE BEST

    • DR. ANIL KUMAR NAYAK
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      DEAR DR. WE ALWAYS GO TO THE SANHITAS AND SANSKRIT SLOKAS. CAN WE KNOW THE REAL PRACTICAL TREATMENT FOR THIS WHAT EARLIER DR. BAINS MARKED. MY QUERRY IS AF ANY SUBJECT HAS A PATHOLOGICAL TEST OF RA FCTR +TIVE WHAT WILL BE THE TREATMENT AND HOW . THERE ARE A LOT OF MED. IN AY. BUT CAN WE GET THE BEST PRACTICAL FROM YR. SIDE? DR. ANIL KUMAR NAYAK
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    Sunday, September 13 2009, 09:28 PM - #Permalink
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    dear friend,use mahayograj gugulu,sinh nad gugulu,maharasnadi kwath,mahanarayan oil,keep movements of joints
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    Monday, September 14 2009, 07:31 PM - #Permalink
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    doctor, 1st u give ama shudhi medicine e.g hingvashtak churna/sitophaladi churna/avipattikar churna till pt digestive system become good. then give virechan,podikizhi swedan advice:- avoid oily, spicy, katu, tikta aahar. take light food,more water.

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    Friday, September 18 2009, 09:32 PM - #Permalink
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    VAT GAJENDRASINH RAS 2 BD, DASMOOL KWATH GHANVATI 2 TDS
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    Monday, September 21 2009, 07:30 PM - #Permalink
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    ashwagandh ch + sameer panag ras + swarn vang wth milk 2.dashmulristh sihnad guggulu pidant tab 3.apply pidant oil jai ayurveda

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    Wednesday, September 30 2009, 12:50 PM - #Permalink
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    SORRY. IT APPEARS YOU HAVE MORE EXPERIENCE WITH ALLOPATHIC MEDICINES THAN AYURVEDIC. ITS NOT THE TREATMENTS GIVEN IN TEXTS BUT THE APPROACH OF THE PHYSICIAN TO THE DISEASE THAT IS NOT GOOD.

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    Tuesday, June 29 2010, 07:56 AM - #Permalink
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    dear dr. Ayurveda never fails only doctor may fail . study clasical texts first and work with experienced ayurvedic doctor. try to diagnise the case as per ayurveda. treat amavata as per classical texts you will get result . If it is chronic take it as "YAPYA" case .Good luck.
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    Tuesday, June 29 2010, 09:50 AM - #Permalink
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    Tuesday, June 29 2010, 08:13 PM - #Permalink
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    hi very hot discussion bet ayurveda vs allopathy since first reply. dont unerestimate any pathy. each pathy is right at its place. so rhumatoid arthritis is a systemic disease not limited to jts. it is autoimmune disease and if we tries to modulate immunity by herbal medicines then ther is success. the pathology will nt going to change but way of thinking may be different.
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      thanx for ur very analytical reply...hope to keep in touc in future too sir
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    Tuesday, June 29 2010, 09:57 PM - #Permalink
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    *Rasna saptak kwath+2tsf castor oil *Trikatu churna *simhanada guggulu/Trayodashang guggulu *Ajmodadi churna *valuka sweda
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    Tuesday, June 29 2010, 11:17 PM - #Permalink
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    first of all have to do aamhar treatment. valuka swed gives good result along with mahayograj guggul n sinhnadguggul

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    Friday, November 12 2010, 11:49 PM - #Permalink
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    because of doshprabalya its take time to treat it 1 aamapacha 2 valuka swed 3 lasunadi vati 4castor oil & virechan

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    Sunday, August 28 2011, 07:34 PM - #Permalink
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    dr g.s. hello 1.singhnad google 3bd 2.vat vidhvasak ras 2bd 3.amrita +shunthi+godanti. bd 4.maha rasnadi kwath after meal.
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    Friday, December 02 2011, 12:27 PM - #Permalink
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    pls specify the condotion of the patient!

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    Sunday, March 04 2012, 11:52 AM - #Permalink
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    Valuable opinions.
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    Sunday, March 04 2012, 12:09 PM - #Permalink
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    Many doctors take cases as per allopathy method ,this is wrong ,do not forget that we are completly different ,keep the prakriti always in mind .Keep the patients strictly on langhan after that choose the correct treatment as written in our books . One of the doctor says that Ayurveda never fails doctor can fail. Thats true Giloy+ dhania+saunth kwath should be use.It has great result.

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    Sunday, March 04 2012, 03:10 PM - #Permalink
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    Pawanhantam is the best drug of choice.It is Andhra's Vaidya preprations.It works miraculously.

    • DR. ASHWANI VASHISTA
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      Respected Madam,Can you please provide mobile or any other contact of manufacturer of Pawanhantam? my email id is - This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
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      Please tel the details where it cn available and
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    Monday, September 10 2012, 03:55 PM - #Permalink
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    Dr. Gurinder S. Bains patiala: Q:RHEUMATOID ARTHRITIS AYURVEDIC CURE. A1: RA IS A CHRONIC CONDITION SO VIRECHANA AMA CLEANSING PRECEDES TREATMENT & CURE. THIS PROCESS WILL TAKE TIME ACCORDING TO DURATION OF SICKNESS & THE EXTENT OF TRIDOSHA IMBALANCES AND THE ORGANS CONDITIONS OF PATIENT. ALLOPATHIC SUPPRESSED THE DISEASE FORCE & PUT IT DEEPER INTO THE DEEP TISSUES & ORGANS LEADING TO MORE SERIOUS AUTOIMMUNE SYSTEM DISEASES. -----------------------------------
    RA DUSHYA: Tridosha imbalance with vitiations of the 16 Srotas including the Saptadhatus & Trimalas caused by the Garavisha-Ama-Amavisha accumulation & later migration of the same; RA is the result of : AMA>AMAVISHA>AMAVATA/RA>AUTOIMMUNE SYSTEM DISEASES -----------------------------------
    A2] VIRECHANA:[To be carried out as lone as needed] A2 A] Ichchabhedi Ras [ Not for patient with heart disease] or DABUR DOUBLE ACTION ISABGOL-[LAXATIVE]

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    Wednesday, September 10 2014, 06:14 AM - #Permalink
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    if we diagnose according to ayurveda instead of RA, we have lots of good and effective treatments available. Maharsanadi kwath, ajomdadi choorna, mahayograj guggulu, sinhanad guggulu etc. use of erand tel and proper diet for aam pachan and to prevent further aamotpatti is also equally important

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    Saturday, October 11 2014, 12:18 PM - #Permalink
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    Dr. Gurinder S. Bains patiala:

    KASHAYAMs for AMAVISHA-AMAPACHAN:AMAVATA: SLE/RA/OA/OS/SYNOVITIS/GOUT:
    Aaragwadhadi; Amruthotharam; Amvatari; Astavargam Kashayam; Bala Guluchyadi; Chitrakwady; ***Kokilaksha; GUGGULUTIKTAM KASHAYAM; *** Mahamanjisthady; Mahasudarshan; *** Maharasnadi Kashayam with Mahayogaraj Guggulu: Mustakaranjadi Kashayam; Rasna Saptakam & Vidaryadi; Sahacharadi kashayam
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    Kashayam for Blood Circulation/Blood Stasis:

    Dashmula Kashayam; Dhanwantharam Kashayam: Guggulutiktam Kashayam; [*** Mahamanjisthady Kashayam; & *** Maharasnadi Kashayam-both are used with Mahayogaraj Guggulu & Boladi Vati;
    Sahacharadi Kashayam; Saptasaram Kashayam; Kokilaksha Kashayam; Marma kashayam/Gulika; Trayodashanga Kashayam
    Used with: Boladi Vati [Invigorates blood]; Mahayogaraj Guggulu [Catalyst-Moves Vata/Vayu/Qi]
    & ****WHOLE BLOOD_SLE_CHURNA***
    & Spirulina plus capsules: 2-3 capsules 60 m before day meals twice daily

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